From: Staf Verhaegen Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 11:02:35 +0000 (+0200) Subject: Re: [libre-riscv-dev] daily kan-ban 07may2020 update X-Git-Url: https://git.libre-soc.org/?a=commitdiff_plain;h=77e8c1d140744898ee928da9a5cda435871497bc;p=libre-riscv-dev.git Re: [libre-riscv-dev] daily kan-ban 07may2020 update --- diff --git a/89/52b2442d05dd48bdfcb3e04276a2b7b948273e b/89/52b2442d05dd48bdfcb3e04276a2b7b948273e new file mode 100644 index 0000000..9379eaa --- /dev/null +++ b/89/52b2442d05dd48bdfcb3e04276a2b7b948273e @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +Return-path: +Envelope-to: publicinbox@libre-riscv.org +Delivery-date: Fri, 08 May 2020 12:02:43 +0100 +Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=libre-riscv.org) + by libre-soc.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) + (envelope-from ) + id 1jX0m9-000104-OH; Fri, 08 May 2020 12:02:41 +0100 +Received: from vps2.stafverhaegen.be ([85.10.201.15]) + by libre-soc.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) + (envelope-from ) id 1jX0m8-0000zy-Er + for libre-riscv-dev@lists.libre-riscv.org; Fri, 08 May 2020 12:02:40 +0100 +Received: from hpdc7800 (hpdc7800 [10.0.0.1]) + by vps2.stafverhaegen.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378EB11C059A + for ; + Fri, 8 May 2020 13:02:40 +0200 (CEST) +Message-ID: <358908cb49ec852d0b8f85b9ce88f7590cf663b5.camel@fibraservi.eu> +From: Staf Verhaegen +To: libre-riscv-dev@lists.libre-riscv.org +Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 13:02:35 +0200 +In-Reply-To: +References: + + + + +Organization: FibraServi bvba +X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 (3.28.5-8.el7) +Mime-Version: 1.0 +X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 +Subject: Re: [libre-riscv-dev] daily kan-ban 07may2020 update +X-BeenThere: libre-riscv-dev@lists.libre-riscv.org +X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 +Precedence: list +List-Id: Libre-RISCV General Development + +List-Unsubscribe: , + +List-Archive: +List-Post: +List-Help: +List-Subscribe: , + +Reply-To: Libre-RISCV General Development + +Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1422859294644236503==" +Errors-To: libre-riscv-dev-bounces@lists.libre-riscv.org +Sender: "libre-riscv-dev" + + +--===============1422859294644236503== +Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; + boundary="=-8wj5dsDPGPCus9ap7H5k" + + +--=-8wj5dsDPGPCus9ap7H5k +Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" +Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable + +Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton schreef op vr 08-05-2020 om 10:08 [+0100]: +> > 0.18um TSMC MPW runs are done at least once a month. You can find the s= +chedule online: https://europractice-ic.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Gene= +ral-MPW-EUROPRACTICE-200505-v8.pdf +>=20 +> so everyone is aware: these general 180nm MPW runs are not EUR 600 /sq.mm= + (the subsidised cost via Staf). they're 2-3x that level: aroundEUR 1100 t= +o 1500 +>=20 +> Yehowshua wrote: +> > And worst case scenario, I can acquire the needed funds for testing the= + chip from alternative funding sources no problem. +>=20 +> this is good - it would however not be at the EUR 600 / sq.mm level,it wo= +uld be at double that, and also likely need Staf's paid-forassistance (if y= +ou're up for that, Staf?) to act as a firebreak forthe NDAs. + +I don't subsidize the MPW runs I just charge the imec price to NLNet. I don= +'t include normal industrial markup on the price for NLNet and just charge = +the (projected) time needed for the tape-out. +The cost is a little over the =E2=82=AC600/mm=C2=B2 without packaging of th= +e chips. For TSMC tape-out there is a minimum area charge of 25mm=C2=B2. Fo= +r packaging you can go for semi-automatic packaging with a high cost per ch= +ip; prices are here. For high volume you have low per unit packaging cost (= +<$0.5/unit) but a start-up cost of over $5000. + +greets, +Staf. + + +--=-8wj5dsDPGPCus9ap7H5k-- + + + +--===============1422859294644236503== +Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" +MIME-Version: 1.0 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 +Content-Disposition: inline + +X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18KbGlicmUtcmlz +Y3YtZGV2IG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdApsaWJyZS1yaXNjdi1kZXZAbGlzdHMubGlicmUtcmlzY3Yub3Jn +Cmh0dHA6Ly9saXN0cy5saWJyZS1yaXNjdi5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9saWJyZS1yaXNj +di1kZXYK + +--===============1422859294644236503==-- + + +